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and, you know, quitting just isn't for real people. you have to keep the fight going, if you lose you lose, but don't quit. >> he lives that advice. have you heard him when he gets mad. >> heard the whole fight over sandy relief package, you know he lives by that advice. >> "starting point" with soledad o'brien starts right now. our "starting point," lying and cheating, years of denials, lance armstrong comes clean and admits to oprah winfrey he used performance-enhancing drugs to win all seven of his tour de france titles. >> did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> is it enough? what about all of the stuff he left out? we'll examine his confession point by point. and john eustice and niccole cook and betsey andreu, lance
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called her a liar after she testified he was doping. new developments in the attempted rescue of hostages in algeria. including americans. we'll have details in leave report ahead this morning. wall street rising, s & p closes at a five-year high. what's behind the big boost. the mystery behind manti te'o and his emergenimaginary girlfriend. ray kelly will join us, janet robinson, newtown connecticut superintendent of schools and actress angie harmon. friday, january 18th. "starting point" begins right now. lance armstrong comes clean after years of lying. he admits he used performance enhancing drugs to win all seven
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of his tour de france titles. he admitted he consistently lied about doping and recklessly attacks his accusers, the interview on own began with a series of yes or no questions. >> let's start with the questions that people around the world have been waiting for you to answer. and for now, i'd like a yes or a no, okay? this whole conversation, we have a lot of time, will be about the details. yes or no. did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no, was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> did you ever use any other banned substances, like testosterone, cortizone, or human growth hormone? >> yes. >> yes or no.
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in all seven of your tour de france victories, did you ever take banneded substances or blood dope? >> no. >> in your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the tour de france without doping? seven times in a row? >> not in my opinion. >> george howell is in austin, texas, for thus morning. the city that armstrong calls home and where the interview took place. good morning. >> reporter: soledad, good morning, right off the top of that interview, right in the first minute. we heard lance armstrong confess to something that many people around here had their suspicions of. even after years of watching him win, then years of those allegations of doping and now we are hearing in his own words that he was living as he describes it, one big lie. lance armstrong spent years trying to outrun allegations that he used performance enhancing substances to fuel his
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successful cycling career, that race is now over. >> was it a big deal to you? did it feel wrong? >> at the time? >> um-hum. >> no. >> it did not even feel wrong? >> no. scary. >> did you feel bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> did you feel in any way that you were cheating? >> no. the scariest. >> reporter: after decades of denials, the seven tour de france winner came clean in part one of the wide ranging interview with oprah winfrey. >> deeply flawed. we all have your flaws, and if the magnifying glass is normally this big. if it is normally this big, i made it this big because of my
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words and actions and my attitude and defiance. >> reporter: armstrong kept his emotions in check as he described years of cheating and lying and doubting those who would dare deny him. he admitted that teammates may have felt pressured to follow his example. >> i was a bully in the sense that i tried to control the narrative and if i didn't like what somebody said and for whatever reasons in my own head, whether i viewed that as somebody being disloyal or a friend turning on you or whatever, i tried to control that. that's a lie, they are liars. >> reporter: armstrong admits he was the one telling in his own words, one big lie. that he repeated over and over again, including this 2005 deposition. the hero to so many says he realizes his confession is probably too late for many people. >> they have every right to feel betrayed. and and it's my fault. and i had spend the rest of my
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life. -- some people are gone forever. but i had spend the rest of my life trying to earn back trust and trying to apologize to people for the rest of my life. >> reporter: it was interesting in the interview. described himself as a flawed character or as a bully. the very interesting dichotomy and you get the sense in austin, he said it, first, on the one hand as a jerk, but other hand, a humanitarian. very instrumental in cancer relesson this is what we're left with now. how he moves forward, only time will tell. >> a lot of questions to be answers. let's get to john eustice, two-time national cycling champion. a cycling analyst and called lance armstrong's first tour de france race. what did you think of the interview last night? >> i thought for lance, it is pretty good.
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never going to give a weepy, cry ing apology. i thought the biggest was the cortizone admission. >> why was that the biggest? >> he had a positive test and if everybody wasn't willing to get rid of that, that seven years would never happen. i thought that was a very big admission. >> oprah asked him a lot about cheating, and i thought his abc was riveting. listen. >> i had this exercise, because i kept hearing -- >> that you're a cheat. >> i'm a drug cheat, cheat, i'm a cheater. i went in, looked up the definition of cheat. >> yes. >> and the definition of cheat is to gain advantage on raval or
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foe that they don't have. and i didn't view it that way. i viewed it as a level playing field. >> something psychologically so odd about that answer. what looks up that definition of cheating. if you are winning over and over, you clearly don't have a level playing field. >> and that is not the definition of cheating. he chose a definition that doesn't exist or one that was very convenient for him. >> it's an interesting look into the mind of an athlete. how many football players say human growth hormone, amphetamines, did it all. when are you in that bubble, whatever the tools of the trade are at the time you are competing, that's what you use. you consider it the tools of the
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trade. it may not be what people wanted to hear, but that's what it is. in that era, there was this incredibly powerful drug epo. >> but it's more than just the cheating, there is another whole part of this story that the tone i thought was very strange in his interview. he was in charge to a large degree of the team. he -- he was the top of it, and then he also would go after people who claimed that he was doing what he was indeed doing. >> his bullying, the way he defends his kingdom, that's a different issue. but the issue of what it is to get your spot on a professional team, again, go back to football. if you are a lineman, 280 pounds to make the team, you need to be 320, they say get to 320, and they don't care how do you it. it's the same as having a pro team. if you can't go up that mountain at 20 kilometers and you can only go to 18. guy, you aren't going to make
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the team unless you go at 20. they don't care how do you it. that's the rawness of professional sport. >> he built a $125 million personal kingdom on this mythic idea that he's this uber athlete, survives insurmountable cancer. he did a nike ad, paid for a nike ad where he boasted on his bike. he lied, a bully, but he also profited personally. more than being part of a team. he took it to a different level. >> he also destroyed a lot of people in the lawsuits and undermining people who were trying to, in fact, sue him. he took people out. one is a woman named emma o'reily, a former masseuse for the team who claimed she knew, in fact, they were trying to cover up the doping. here is what he said about her in the interview. >> she's one of these people
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that got run over. got bullied. >> yeah. >> isn't she -- you sued her? >> to be honest, open remark we sued so many people -- i'm sure we did. >> a throwaway line when you destroyed someone's life. there is a personality disorder that he has to have. i don't think he's exaggerating. he has this clinical description for something that has ruined a lot of people's careers. >> this is who lance is. he came from nothing, he took this little sport, insignificant sport, and with his character and his personality, he was, in spite all of this, a great at leith. no one in that peloton. he won those seven tour de frances. >> with the epo. >> but with everyone using those
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same drougs. no one in the pell he ton will say he didn't win. he has this massive ego drive, and he didn't control it very well and his advisers didn't control it very well. the future of the story, it will keep going. it won't be just about lance and this one guy. it will be about the entire sport. my guess, he's holding onto that for the negotiations. >> you know, if you look up narcissistic personality disorder, all of the things you just described, just described that. just saying. nice talking to you. john eusti krench. part two of the interview tonight. we'll see more into the mind of lance armstrong. still ahead, we'll continue the conversation with niccole cook and betsy andreu.
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and this weekend, we'll break down the case against lance armstrong, 10:00 eastern. a closer look at the constant doping chatter. the world according to lance armstrong, right here on cnn. saturday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. other news, john berman with a look at that. >> thank you so much. i can't get the lance armstrong thing out of my head. big news overseas. the hostage crisis in al jaera, entered its third day, and british, norwegian, japanese, believed to be among those held by militants in algeria. bp confirm some of their employees unaccounted for. british officials said there were a significant number of british victims. david cameron spoke out this morning about the crisis. here are some what he said. >> algerian prime minister later last night told me that the first operation was complete.
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but this is a large and complex site and they are pursuing terrorists and hor aijss in other areas of site. algerian prime minister told him they are looking at all possible routes to resolve the crisis. >> leon pan 80 said "the united states is working around the clock to ensure the safe return of our citizens." cnn matthew chance joins us live from london. >> david cameron within the past few minutes, british prime minister, coming out, giving the latest update we've heard about the situation. expressing his concerns i think to a certain extent about the fact that he had been in repetitioned contact with the algerian counterpart. before this raid against the gas plant went ahead, they weren't consulted, neither the british nor the americans nor any of the other leaderships, the algerians
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had seen the militants were moving the hostages to a different location, they judged there was an immediate danger to their lives and so they felt they had no choice but to move in. and david cameron says he feels the fault of this. not at the hands of the algerians, but the militants that took the hostages in the first place. >> a lot of unknowns in this story. the nation's capital will be busy all weekend with final preparations and rehearsals for president obama's inauguration. the public swaerni ingswearing the official oath on sunday. stay with cnn to see all of the events live, sfwlor aida, soledad, and i all in the capital on monday with the best interesting stories and big guests. coverage begins at 5:00 a.m. eastern. the pressure is mounting for notre dame linebacker manti te'o to explain himself after his
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inspirational story about over coming the death of a girlfriend to lead his team to the bcs championship game, is say hoax. it is thought that the story may have been cooked up by ronaiah toiasosopo. there is a new trend on the internet, called te'o'ing. you put your arm around your invisible girlfriend. at notre dame, president obama mockup doing it, and last te'o in paris and clint eastwood who started it before it even happened. ahead this morning, the president's new gun control agenda, put a dent in the huge problem that is gun violence, we'll talk to new york city police commissioner ray kelly, pushing for stronger gun laws, he will join us up next. business news as well. >> do investors believe in wall street again? apparently they do.
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ray kielly, new york police commissioner, is pushing for tighter gun control laws. thank you for joining us. you think because what we see in new york, we will see two years out, three years out, a big decline in gun deaths? >> probably not. we know there are 300 million guns bought in america. the universe won't be reduced significantly. in urban america, we're plagued with handguns, most of the laws focus on assault weapons, which is a good thing. concealable handguns are a big thing in new york and the large cities. >> if all we've been talking about is an assault weapons ban, which many people think won't make it through congress and if you look at the items on the president's list of executive orders that he could issue, they are more about meetings and strengthening things. what do you do about gun violence, especially in new york
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city? >> it's a complex issue. i think universal background checks will make a difference. it will take time for that to have an effect. no easy answer here. we will have a gun problem in america, irrespective of what legislation is passed. the supreme court has made certain that the second amendment is alive and well. >> how do guns come into new york? we had a fairly stringent law. how do guns come into the city? >> 90% of guns are coming from out of state. come up the iron pipeline, u.s. 95, and feed into new york. >> how would a universal background check help that? >> 40% of gun sales are not recorded anywhere. slow that down somewhat. you know, it's a help, and each of these are a movement in the right direction. the president's proposals.
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>> arming teachers in schools, armed guards in schools, what do you think? >> i don't think it's needed certainly universally. in new york city we have some police officers in some schools. we have 1.2 million students. some schools may be more problematic than others. focused on international order for the most part. i don't think it's a solution. and, again, people who have gone into the schools, mad men that have done this are suicidal, and so they very easily would shoot the person armed to start on one of these rampages. >> because of that thing, people would say nothing would have changed in newtown. the laws would not have made that massacre not happen. >> probably not -- yeah, it would have happened, but it reduces the size of the magazines maybe -- maybe a child or two or three children would be alive today as a result of
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that. every little bit helps, and i think -- i think the large capacity magazines have no place in the civilized society. >> let's talk for a minute about prescription drug theft, and are you proposing something that i -- it's really sounds very strange on its face. put chips inside prescription bottles. explain to me the theory behind that. >> gps device. this was done by the manufacturer of oxycontin, actually started this program. certainly support it. they have been supportive of us. we think more can be done as far as being able to track these drugs. people break in, do burglaries, do robberies, take these drugs, we want to know where they are going. we think it can be a deterrent and investigative tool for us. another move in the right direction. >> there is also technology to lock the cap of an oxy
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couldn'ton bottcouldn't -- oxycontin drug so somebody can't take too much or take it off label. only can be opened at the time of dosing. there are some interesting technologies along the line. >> emergency room visits have doubled in the last two years. so it's a major issue, and it causes violence. and that's what we're trying to address. >> relates back to the gun violence issue. ray kelly, new york city police commissioner, nice to have you with us. ahead, we'll take a look at what helped stocks reach some of the highest levels since the financial crisis. christine with that, next.
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welcome back. i'm christine romans, minding your business. u.s. markets had a great moment yesterday. s & p hit a five-year high. the highest level before the financial crisis. housing starts and jobless claims. s & p 500 has doubled. doubles since february 2009. s & p 500 is best indicator for stocks. now investors are pouring money back into stocks. >> a good time to get in. >> in the first nine days of this year, investors poured 8 million back into stock mutual funds. largest amount since 2007 when the ipi started keeping records. last year, 150 million taken out
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of stock mutual funds. >> investors on e*trade accounts, these are institutal investors? >> this flows into mutual funds this success putting money back into stock. last year, hedge funds, some big investors, but retail investor, that's us, were pulling money out of stocks and putting it into bonds. a lot of normal people missed the stock market rally. >> the little i know, they've done it backward there. not the way to do it. lance armstrong has come clean, but he says he never felt like he was cheating while he was cheating. can the confession fix his image or does it end up hurting him even more? sports agents and champion cyclists will weigh in on that coming up next. a fear by many who ride underground trains. a woman attacked on the platform and thrown onto the tracks. what happened to her. and police have made an arrest. we'll update the story, straight ahead. with the spark cash card from capital one,
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>> no. scary. >> did you feel bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> did you feel in any way that you were cheating? >> no. the scariest. >> did those admissions go far enough and what happens next? what's next for lance armstrong? going to talk with reed abergotti, legal reporter from "the wall street journal" and sports agent drew rosenhouse with us. drew, i'll begin with you if i can. did it work? did what lance armstrong need to do last night, was he effective in doing it? >> we won't know for a while whether or not it works, what his objectives are.
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for him to get back into the public eye, to become an athlete, personality, or someone who hopes to make money professionally again in the public eye, this was the very beginning, you have to admit you made a mistake. come clean, apologize, and then you can rebuild from there. >> you can do a million interviews with oprah, that won't work for the usada. >> this has no bearing on whether he can go back to competing in triathlons at all. and usada has been very clear about that. and they would look at this interview as kind of a gauge about what he might say to them. i don't think they would be satisfied with a lot of these answers. >> dr. ferrari, the centerpiece of the whole doping scandal to some degree. what lance armstrong said about
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the doctor. >> hard to talk about these things. and they were saying in this story that they are good people. and we've all made mistakes. people in this story who are not monsters. not toxic and not evil. and i views michaeli ferrari as a good man and a smart man and i still do. >> if usada is looking for a sense on where he is going to do, when you look at someone who is an absolute centerpiece of the doping scandal, they can't hear that and be very satisfied. i want to bring in niccole cook. nice to have you joining us. what do you make of some of the lines, in fact, lance armstrong was drawing? wouldn't talk about dr. ferrari, wouldn't speak about some very specific things.
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how problematic is that for the things he did say about the sport? >> obviously, we're having some audio problems, try to work those out. let me ask the same question of you looking to see what they are going to say. and what he says about the guy at the center piece of the scandal, not evil, a good guy, smart and nice man. that may be true. the majority of people in this story may be good people. got caught up in cheating and doping in the sport, which was very common. but that isn't going to work. he is going to have to name names, talk openly and honestly about all of these people involved. he also denied there were payoffs in uci.
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>> he denied that he doped in 2009, 2010. he was very adamant about that. let's play that chunk. >> so when you placed third in 2009, you did not dope? >> no. and, again, biological passport was in place. and it was -- >> does that include blood transfusions? >> absolutely. >> did you not do a blood transfusion in 2009. >> absolutely not. >> no doping or blood transfusions in 2010. >> 2009 and 2010. the two years i did the tour. absolutely not. >> let's get to niccole. niccole, does he has to admit to everything and come clean for your sport to move forward? >> definitely, yes. from my point of view. we haven't even scratched the
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surface. oprah isn't an expert on the ins and outs of cycling and what happens with the anti doping. i really hope that lance armstrong can be put underoath and have to answer those hard questions about what is happening, but i find it crazy that lance armstrong can say he took drugs to level the playing field and in 2009 and 2010, he didn't need to take drugs. so what happened to the level playing field and unlevel playing field? there are far too many questions and gaps in his story. >> and so many questions. he did not tackle. at one point to oprah, i never tested positive. and she's sort of saying, but you -- you were using epo in those years. why are you sticking to this claim? how much is a problem the way he's positioning this going to
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be for whatever rehabilitation, whatever public embrace that he wants, before he can get that? >> the number one thing that lance armstrong has to do, if he hopes to get back in the public eye and have any credibility, is come completely clean, be totally reforceful, absolutely apologetic. he cannot continue to be defiant and has to lay it out there, publicly and privately with the agencies and once he does that, then he has a chance to get in the public eye. and he's got to be more apologetic. and do this with the agencies involved and the legal situations, not just the publicity and the media. if he does that, he has a chance to start over again and get a fresh start. >> and the legal situation
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there, one of the things that seems strange to me about the story, the idea he would be doing this to take part in triathlons again. like he wouldn't be satisfied after winning seven tour de frances, he needs to take on the senior circuit in triathlons. does this help him in the lawsuits? >> they will continue forward look, you admitted to this. in the contract with the u.s. postal service, you said you would not break the anti doping laws. under the federal false claims act, you could be liable for treble damages, triple the amount of money, so roughly 1$10 million. >> so interesting what he says to oprah tonight. what is his goal? he never answer thad question. nicole cooke apologize for your
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audio problems. >> thank you. >> thawe'll talk with betsy and coming up next. she and her husband were attacked verbally by armstrong after she said that she heard armstrong tell doctors he was doping. first a look at the day's top stories. the hostage crisis in algeria, third day now. good news to report. u.s. defense officials tell cnn that a u.s. air force aircraft is in the process of evacuating americans and other foreign nationals involved in the standoff, and taken out of algeria right now, flown to u.s. facilities in europe. six months after a massacre that left 12 people dead and 58 wounded, the movie theater in aurora, colorado, reopens to the public today. a private remembrance ceremony held for victims and families and first responders, despite
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criticism from some victim's families who say the reopening is part of the recovery process. >> i feel i'm a different person for coming and it brings about some healing and just like with my arm, things will take a little time to heal and like for this community to truly bond, but i think the theater reopening shows we're moving forward. >> police say they have arrested the man who brutally attacked a woman on a philadelphia subway platform, throwing her on the train tracks. the video you are about to see is difficult to watch. affiliate wpbi says the man asked for a lighter tuesday afternoon, momentarily backed off, punching the 23-year-old woman, grabbing her by the ankles and throwing her on the subway tracks. the woman climbed out on her own, suffering only bumps and bruises. heavy snow and rain across the deep south.
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states close to mississippi and alabama got close to half a foot of wet snow that snapped power lines, rains pushed rivers and streams and triggered dangerous mudslides that tore through a park in north carolina. surprising to see serena williams face fault at the australian open. serena smacked herself in the face with her racket. split her lip, still won her second round match easily. amazing to see her do that. >> wow. the force of that racket, that had to really hurt. >> still asked, revered as inspirational heroes, but in light of the bizarre manti te'o fake girlfriend story and lance armstrong's doping confession, what do we do about the culture of worshipping athletes? the starting point team headed in to talk about that. ♪
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are. >> welcome, everybody. richard socarides is back. representative nan hayworth is back. and lee gallagher joins us. assistant managing editor at "fortune," the 100 best companies to work for on the cover. interesting to watch the lance armstrong interview. to me, he seemed to be at a distance to his own story. at one point, describing for open remark like it wasma a mythic, perfect story. you didn't get the sense that it was his own story. like the retelling of somebody else's story. >> sort of like an out-of-body
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experience. >> here is a little more about what he said about that. >> the story was so perfect for so long. and i mean that as i try to take myself out of it. you have a happy meaning, children, and you win the tour de france seven times, beat cancer. and it was this mythic, perfect story and it wasn't true. on a lot of levels. >> almost every single level actually it wasn't true. this happened the same week we find out about the manti te'o story. bizarre and a lot of differentidifferent i iterations of what it is. he released a statement, saying he was the victim of a hoax. do we hold players up to some standard that they cannot meet? or is -- >> we have a culture that wants to win.
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buzz bisinger was talking about it. these guys are animals about this stuff. they want to compete and win and that's the focus. and it does become a matter of it's a slippery slope. everyone enhancing oxygen capacity in their blood, i had do it too. >> it ties in not only with that, but everybody wants a great story. tour delan lance. >> pumped up your tires, filled your water bottle, you did the other stuff. i think there is a mania here where people in positions of fame and glory, john edwards, tiger woods, the fame, all of it, these people come to think they are above the law, and almost to a point where they genuinely believe they did nothing wrong. i think there is a delusion ear
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aspect to this. i think he was not remorseful enough, only apologizing because he got caught. there is this sort of epic wave of i guess i would call it delusion. >> narcissistic personality disorder. actually, you could tick off the things and it matches closely. >> thinking that the rules don't apply to you. and i think it's delusional too. all of those people you mentioned are all kind of living in a world that only they inhabit. >> the original question, do we hold them to a standard they can't possibly meet? sure. but no matter how bad -- >> the lying, cheating standard? >> no matter how bad we are in the society and media, what happened with lance goes far beyond not meeting the standard we set. playing by the rules, not going after people aggressively. >> that's the terrible thing.
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n ana narcissism lends itself t this manic drive for victory. >> i am so looking forward to the second half of this interview. and when will we hear from manti te'o. we'll bring back drew to talk about what is next for that young man. what does he have to say when he finally does talk? >> you think oprah is in his future? >> he hopes so. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
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welcome back, everybody. we're sort of doing sports all morning for unfortunate reasons because, of course, we're following up on the story about manti te'o a lot of questions about when he'll talk, maybe
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he'll have his oprah sit-down interview. the story of his girlfriend went from a tragic story to an absolutely bizarre story and now everybody is trying to figure out who was the one who created the fake girlfriend. was he the victim of a cruel hoax or was he the perpetrator of the cruel hoax. questions now about it does it change his nfl draft picks. and rosenhaus agency is here, and let me ask the question about the draft. does it make a difference this controversy because we really don't know what the truth is here? >> oh, yes. and the nfl will get to the bottom of it. manti te'o will be interviewed by every team in the nfl, exclusively, and the truth should come out. he's not one of my clients, but if he was, the first thing i would tell him is, young man,
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you've got to be forthright, come clean, tell the nfl if you're the victim of a hoax, or if you were involved in it. you've got to tell the truth. >> there is -- >> and if he tells the truth -- >> yes. i was going to say -- >> if he tells the truth -- >> what happens? >> -- i think he'll be fine. i think the nfl will draft him in the first round and he can have a fine career. >> but doesn't that depend on what the truth is, right? if the truth is i was the perpetrator of a fraud, will the nfl be fine of that, okay, yeah, or does that really impact his standings in the nfl draft? >> well, if he is involved with this hoax and he says he's not and i'd like to believe him at his word, if he's a victim of this and he was gullible or whatever you want to call it, the reality is that it will not have a significant effect on his draft status. if the nfl teams investigate this and he was not involved in the hoax or was in any way
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fraudulent, i don't believe it will have a significant effect. on the other hand, if he was involved with this, then that is very serious, and i do think it would impact him. if he's genuine about it and he admits he made a mistake assuming that he was involved in any type of fraudulent activity, if he knew about the hoax and he participated in it, but he still came clean and he was genuine and remorseful, i believe an nfl team would still take him in the first round and give the young man a chance to continue with his career and learn from this significant mistake. >> drew, john berman here, he had one of his worst games manti te'o did in the bcs championship game after notre dame and he knew that this fell apart one way or another. do you think this is in his head now, do you think nfl teams will think, look, clearly he's not got something going on that might affect his play?
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>> not over the long haul. i think it was a controversy that was about to explode, so it certainly might have distracted him. but i think once he gets into the nfl, this should be behind him. he can move forward. we've seen many examples of nfl players over the years that have gone through significant controversies or tragedies that have been able to move forward. i definitely think that football players are coached and taught to have a short memory, put distractions behind them. i don't think this will have a significant impact on his future career or his draft status. it's a big story now, but i think as long as he addresses it with the team and his agents tell him and they prepare him, be honest. first and foremost, be honest with the team. be convincing, tell the truth. >> that's everybody saying that, like, somebody tell us what exactly helped here. drew rosenhaus, nice to talk to you. unlike lance armstrong, manti will have an opportunity to play, sometimes just being
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great removes a lot of questions and you get to move forward with your life i think in a way that lance armstrong may not be able to. >> there's a lot of jawing in the football team over that line and i don't know what the other guys will say to him. still ahead by "starting point," while some belief lance armstrong's denials, the wife of a former teammate has this to say about a his confession -- >> you dropped the ball after what you did to me and my family and you couldn't own up to it and now we're supposed to believe? >> we're going to talk to betsy andr andreu, and we'll to angie harmon in a moment. ♪ ♪
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"starting point" this morning one big lie, lance armstrong admitting he cheated for years despite his very public and passionate denials we'll break down his full confession and then really ask is he genuine sorry. and we'll talk with betsy and w andreu. wall street rising the s&p 500 closes at a five-year high, i'll tell you what's behind the big boost. and a new development in the hostage situation overseas americans being evacuated from
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algeria, details in a moment. it's friday, february 18th, and "starting point" begins and "starting point" begins right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good morning, everybody. this is our panel this morning. and nan hayworth is a former public congresswoman from new york and lee gallagher, and john berman is sticking around, co-anchor. nice to have with us. lance armstrong has come clean after years and years and years of lying, he said he used performance enhancing drugs to win each and every one of his seven tour de france titles, last night on own, the disgraced legend admitted he consistently lied about doping and relentlessly would attack hils accusers and oprah wasted no time getting to the big questions. here's how the interview began.
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>> let's start with the questions that people around the world are waiting for you to answer. and right now i'd like a yes or a no. >> okay. >> this whole conversation, we have a lot of time, will be about the details. yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> yes or no, was one of those banned substances epo? >> yes. >> did you ever blood dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. >> did you ever use any other banned substances like testosterone, cortizone, or human growth hormone? >> yes. >> yes or no, in all seven of your tour de france victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? >> yes. >> in your opinion, was it humanly possible to win the tour de france without doping, seven times in a row?
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>> not in my opinion. >> george howell's in austin, texas, for us this morning a city where armstrong calls home, it's where the interview took place. what's been the reaction there in the wake of this interview? >> reporter: soledad, you talk to people, all they can say is, wow, people are shocked to hear it finally coming in his own words. this is something that many people in this community thought in the back of their minds after years of watching him win, after years of watching him viciously attack people who accused him of doping calling them liars, we learned in lance armstrong's own words that he was, in fact, living as he describes it one big lie. lance armstrong spent years trying to outrun allegations that he used performance enhancing substances to fuel his successful cycling career. that race is now over. >> was it a big deal to you? did it feel wrong?
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>> at the time -- >> uh-huh. >> -- no. >> it did not even feel wrong? >> no. scary. >> did you feel bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> did you feel in any way that you were cheating? >> no. the scariest. >> reporter: after decades of denials the seven tour de france winner came clean in part one of a wide-ranging interview with oprah winfrey. >> i am flawed, deeply flaws. i think we all have our flaws but -- and if the magnifying glass is normally this big, i made it this big because of my actions and because of my words and because of my attitude and my defiance. >> reporter: armstrong kept his emotions in check as he described years of cheating and lying and attacking those who
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would dare doubt him, he denied forcing teammates to dope but did admit they may have felt pressured to follow his example. >> i was a bully in the sense that i tried to control the narrative and if i didn't like what somebody said, and for whatever reasons in my own head, whether i viewed that as somebody being disloyal or a friend turning on you or whatever, i tried to control that, and that's a lie, they're liars. >> reporter: armstrong now admits that he was the one telling in his own words one big lie, that he repeated over and over again including this 2005 deposition, the hero to so many says that he realizes his confession is probably too late for many people. >> they have every right to feel betrayed. and it's my fault. and, you know, i have -- i will spend the rest of my life, you know -- some people are gone forever, but i'll spend the rest of my life trying to earn back trust and apologize to people
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for the rest of my life. >> reporter: and, soledad, the reactions are coming in, have been coming in all night. just spoke with a gentleman, michael hall, who writes for "texas monthly" and he's interviewed lance armstrong before, he said cyclists are livid about what they heard last night and also a reaction from usada, i want to read this quote to you. it said, quote, tonight lance armstrong finally acknowledged that his cycling career was built on a powerful combination of doping and deceit. his admission that he doped throughout his career is a small step in the right direction but if he is insear in his desire to correct his past mistakes, he will testify under oath about the full extent of his doping activities, so we expect to hear a lot more, more reaction as people hear from lance armstrong that he did indeed take part in doping, soledad? >> george howell for us, preapprprewe
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appreciate it. and what he said was in 1996 he was recovering from surgery to remove tumors from his brain at an indiana testimony and his teammate was frankie andreu, the couple would later testify that they heard armstrong list off all the performance enhancing drugs that he'd taken to two doctors. armstrong would deny that under oath and then repeatedly attack the andreus and oprah asked him about that last night. >> was betsy telling the truth about the indiana hospital overhearing you in 1996? >> i'm not going to take that on, and i'm laying down on that one. >> was betsy lying? >> i'm just not -- i'm going to put that one down, she asked me, and i asked her not to talk about the details of the call or the confidential personal conversation. >> betsy andreu's with us this morning. nice to have you.
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let's talk first about that call. 40-minute call. how did it go? what did he say? >> it was very emotional. and it's more important that lance apologize to me privately instead of apologizing on oprah, because that would have been not as meaningful -- >> he apologized to you on the phone? >> he apologized to me on the phone. he was right, it was a private conversation and it was very emotional, and i want to keep it that way, but i think we saw a classic lance moment which let's take a little bit of it and turn it around and say, well, she doesn't want me to talk about that. in the conversation i said you have to say the hospital room happened. and his response was, you know, i don't want to -- i don't want to go there, i'm not going to say the hospital room didn't happen. i said, why, it did, and he mumbled something and i think he's still protecting people because this thing is such a web of lies and deceit. there are people who lied for him, who were involved in that hospital incident and if you lie
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before the grand jury, then the government will go after you, unless you come from -- where they seem to be protecting the celebrity. it was very frustrating to me yesterday. >> how did that interview make you feel? was your reaction to it? >> it was a -- it was a stack of emotions. because i really -- i give him credit for admitting that he cheated on such a public level. i don't think he did it the right way. i really think he should have gone to usada and told them everything from "a" to "z" because there's no way he pulled off this massive fraud on his own. he just didn't do it on his own. so, i was -- i respect that he came forward and he finally admitted to cheating. but personally it infuriated me that he wouldn't pick up the
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ball. he owed that to me for what he's put me through to say the hospital incident did happen. >> do you know what i find strange he kept talking about winning the seven titles when, of course, we now know he was doping through the winning. there's something that's interesting psychologically there, and there's this level playing field argument that everybody was doing it. earlier, you were talking about it, you fill up your water bottle, you put air in your tires, you do the drugs basically. is that the culture? your husband was a cyclist at a top level. >> yeah, but frankie, and i will never, ever justify it, when frankie is you comed to using epo, it was over a short period of time. there was no united states anti-doping agency, there was no wada, but frankie never, ever had a blood transfusion, never did growth horman, testosteront, steroids, never did any of that stuff. when there's the argument of a level playing field, that's bull, because frankie spent the vast majority of his career,
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2011 was his second tour, the winning tour, and he was fired because he was clean so -- >> is it true, though, that everyone is cheating on some level? >> no, it's not true. 2011 i can -- we can speak from personal experience, frankie rai raced that tour clean. >> is everybody cheating some of the time? >> i don't believe that. you have guys who are finishing 111, 120th, maybe 100th, maybe 65, they're not cheating. >> everybody that's above 50 is cheating? >> maybe the tour contenders, i would say, yeah, that's a valid argument. i would say that's a valid argument. >> that's not justifying it, but that's a pretty -- >> it's not justifying it -- >> it's a pretty important revelation. >> but the whole level playing field a bunch of bunk. because even if a people had a million dollars, maybe they don't want to put all that crap in his body that he put in his
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doctor. lance paid over a million dollars to a doctor. >> he said in the interview that he did not tell people what to do, i think we have this clip, he was not, as much as he was a co-owner of the team he told oprah, listen, i was leader of the team, but we're all grown-ups here, all grown men making the decisions. >> why was frankie fired in 2011? >> let's play the chunk from the interview. >> look, i was the leader of the team and the leader of any team leads by example and there was never a direct order or a directive to say you have to do this if you want to do the tour, if you want to be on the team. that never happened. it was a competitive time. we were all grown men. we all mailed our choices. >> what do you mean? >> he was cherry picking last night. that's what i truly believe, he was cherry picking. when he says that, he chided frankie. the usada report has the e-mails
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where frankie was deemed not a team player, he was deemed selfish, he was deemed arrogant. lance asked him one time, will you go see ferrari, you have to get serious and get results, 2000, frankie said no. what were the consequences of that, finishing 111th in the tour and not getting his tour bonus from lance and getting fired. that's what the consequence was of riding clean on lance's team. i don't buy for a minute if you read tyler hamilton and dan quayle's book "the secret race," maybe at that level, where -- the level meaning tyler was a mountain climber and in 1999 and 2000 it was three guys who were on this sophisticated doping program, but even frankie and i who saw the usada report and read that book, it was new to us. it was completely new to us. 2000 was the turning point. 2001 on if you wanted to be on lance armstrong's winning tour team, then i would say, yeah,
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you had to do what it takes. >> he was the co-owner. >> he was the co-owner of the team, he made the decision who was fired -- who was fired and how much they got paid. for him to say he wasn't, when i say he was cherry picking, last night he was truthful with some things, and with other things he just wasn't truthful. >> but, betsy, basically lance armstrong was setting conditions such that the only way you could compete successfully was to dope. >> the only way to win. the only way to win was to dope. you could compete, but lance didn't want you did -- you wouldn't win. >> right. >> if you doped, then you were stronger. and that's what frankie chided for not being strong that tour. >> we're going to keep the coverage going. i'm going to ask you to stick around for us, because i've found what you've said through the entire revelation has been absolutely riveting, if you'd stick around with us, we'd appreciate it, thank.
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our coverage will continue this weekend, we'll take a look at the constant doping chatter that was dogging armstrong for years "the world according to lance armstrong's" going air here tomorrow night. coming up next, some people are trying to make sure the shooting in newtown never happens again, and janet robinson is the newtown superintendent of schools and she's up next. [ male announcer ] this is bob, a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib:
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welcome back, everybody. new details to get to this morning about the hostage crisis in algeria. defense officials are telling cnn's barbara starr that an air force aircraft is in the process of evacuating americans and other foreign nationals who were involved in that standoff. we're told somewhere between 10 and 20 hostages will be on that flight, but there are some injuries. it's unclear at this point just how severe the injuries are and that people on that flight will be flown to u.s. facilities somewhere in europe. no details on that right now. it's unclear the number of hostages who are still being held. we'll talk with barbara starr live from the pentagon a little later in this hour. sandy hook elementary school, of course, was thrust
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into the spotlight after the mass shooting there that happened on december 14th, and since that day teachers and school administrators have been trying to make the kids now come back to school feel as safe as possible, to make sure that this never happens again, newtown school superintendent janet robinson took her message to washington, d.c., testifying before a congressional hearing on gun violence this week. superintendent robinson is with us this morning. it's nice to have you with us, we appreciate your time. >> good morning, how are you? >> i'm well, thank you. how are you? and how are the kids who have now gone back to school? how's that all going? >> well, i think it's a good thing to have the kids back in school. they like the routine and the structure. the kids were very excited to see their teachers again, so we're moving along. plus having the children back in school helps us give them their routine and see how they're doing. >> i would imagine. helpful for the teachers as well. ve there been changes? are the same number of kids, you know, back in school following the tragedy?
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have some people taken their kids out of school and enrolled them somewhere else? are there district changes that you've made? >> to answer your first question, most of the students are back. i think, you know, we have a flu outbreak, so we do have some students absent and teachers absent. but by and large, we are doing everything we can to supply some level of normalcy to their lives and they're responding. part of your second question, i think that there's a heightened awareness of security and wanting to have something that clears clearly apparent like a police officer to let people know that their children are safe. >> the elementary school building itself is no longer a crime scene we're told. so, what happens now with that building? >> well, right now the building is fenced off, and there will be some community -- actually, they've already started
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community conversations to determine what the public and the community wants to do with sandy hook school. sandy hook school's been there for 50 years, and it's become part of the fabric of our community. it's been a lovely school. we have people in town who their fathers went to that school or mother, and they went to the school, their children have gone to the school. so, it is just really part of the newtown tradition. >> in your -- >> and these community conversations -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> in the community conversations people are having the opportunity to express their point of view, and then our government officials will come together and make some decisions as to what the best thing to do with the building. >> in your congressional testimony, you asked a question, and you said, what do i say to parents who want to be reassured? how do you answer that very question? >> well, that's really a challenge i put out there for our congressional leaders. we want to be able to guarantee
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that children are safe when they get on that bus and come to school, parents want to know when that child goes off to school that they're going to come home safe. and in a community like sandy hook where we have had good security measures, we've done the kinds of things that are recommended, we implement anti-bullying types of programs, things to work on, children's self-esteem. we feel that we've really worked hard to help raise really healthy kids, and we want support in terms of knowing that those -- that we aren't going to have intruders that are going to infringe upon their safety. >> janet robinson is the newtown superintendent of schools. thank you for talking with us this morning. it's great to hear that those kids are -- even with the flu outbreak -- settling back into their classes and some kind of normalcy. we appreciate your time. >> well, thank you. still ahead on "starting point" this morning, superstorm sandy caused major damage in the east. in fact, lots of people are still trying to recover even now
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after they lost their homes, so should the disaster be used in a "vogue" spread? it's our "tough call" and it's up next. ♪ [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪ got the coffee. that was fast. we're outta here. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪
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welcome back, everybody, our "tough call" this morning natural disasters have turned out to be inspiration for a high fashion photo spread, but does "vogue's" superstorm sandy shoot cross the line, it shows cops and firefighters and other first responders pictured in models in really quite fantastic clothing, really, it appears in the february issue of "vogue." the stormtroopers has had its share of critics who say it's in bad taste. you guys have seen the pictures. you think it's in bad taste?
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>> yes. >> you do? why? >> people are still suffering the aftereffects of this devastating storm, we just had as you all know, a bit of a battle in congress about how to help these people who are still trying to recover. and here we have a fashion magazine shoot. it would be one thing if they took portraits of the first responders who deserve that wonderful credit, but they're only props for the models. >> i do think they're trying -- the first responders were put on this lovely red dress that they might do that. i think they are to some degree props but they are props in a heroic fashion. there's a little blurb -- >> i disagree a little bit. they are never shown and you never see them and we glamorize celebrities so much. i just feel like let's give them their moment in the sun, let's let the great hunky firemen spend the day with these gorgeous models. >> i think it's a piece of art you can interpret it as
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something flattering to the firefighters. it's jarring when you first look at it and you start to think for a second who are the real celebrities and stars here, it's not the fabulously dressed people, it is the first responders. >> i thought that was the point they were trying to make. i thought it was the juxtaposition of it. john, i agree with you, i think that's exactly what they were trying to say, that this is what it's all about. >> it's very artistic. annie leibovitz when she does anything, it's -- >> they're beautiful photos. >> they're beautiful photos. >> did they have the names of the first responders? >> they had little blurbs about the units, exactly, so there's information about them. still ahead on "starting point," lance armstrong said he cheated, what is next for his chance to rehabilitate his
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welcome back, everybody. you're watching "starting point." after years of lying lance armstrong is now admitting that he, in fact, did use performance enhancing drugs to win his seven tour de france titles. in his interview last night on own, the oprah winfrey network, he admitted to lying about doping repeatedly and he would relentlessly attack his accuser. betsy andreu is back again and her husband and she were both attacked by armstrong after she testified he doped. it's a pleasure to have you. what more does he have to say? we have a whole other show that oprah will air tonight of this conversation. what would you like to hear in this part two which is, of course, all part of the same
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interview? >> perhaps a little more contrition, you know, just to say, yeah, i really -- this is really dumb, this was really stupid, and i'm a fool. a little more. i think what people are still seeing is a very hardcore lance armstrong and the demeanor that he's projecting if you just sort of a grasp a few different words on it, it looks like the same lance armstrong we've been hearing the vehement denials from for years and years and years. in fact, one of the problems i think with the oprah winfrey interview last night was it didn't carefully document just how vehement, just how strong, just how airtight those denials had been for over and over and over for years and years. and, betsy, i'm sure -- >> i was going to say, she knows a little something of that because you were, of course, the focus of some of those. there was last night i thought a very odd moment when he was talking about your conversation and the fact that he had many times called you a liar, called you much worse than that. here's what he said to oprah --
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>> i said, listen, i called you crazy, i called you a bitch, i called you all these things, but i never called you fat. >> that's one of the things -- >> i said you were crazy, but, i said, betsy, i never said you were fat. >> i thought that was really odd. explain that to me what we just saw. >> well, now you know why i was a "b," look what i've been putting up with for all these years. i think he tried to inject a little bit of humor in there because this is such a serious thing, that's the only thing that i can think of. but as far as what mr. wemple said about the contrition, the contrition was heartfelt in our personal conversation, again, i'd much rather have it personally instead of in a public forum. i just think that he went about this in the wrong way. he should have met with usada
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and told them everything from "a" to "z." and then he could have began the process. because i think we're seeing some cherry picking, which is, well, i cheated every single one of these tours but -- >> not 2009, 2010, that's essentially what he told oprah. do we have that clip? let's play that. >> so, when you placed third in 2009, you did not dope? >> no. and, again, the biological passport was in place and it was -- >> does that include blood transfusions? >> absolutely. >> so, you did not do a blood transfusion. >> absolutely not. >> in 2009. you did no doping or blood transfusion -- >> nope. >> -- in 2010? >> absolutely. 2009 and 2010, those are the two years i did the tour, absolutely not. >> he's so proud, he's so proud of 2009, 2010. >> we wouldn't be sitting here if it weren't for the comeback. the same thing, soledad, you
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brought up the fat comment which is odd, because he parses the rules so much, i didn't say this, i said -- i didn't say the "f" word, i said "c" and "b," i didn't test positive, it's all about what he got away with and it's not about remorse. >> let me ask a question, because there was someone who said, a sportswriter, who said if it's possible to hate him more after this interview, he succeeded, not only the lack of contrition but sort of the out of body experience, i didn't think he was joking on the fat thing, they were parsing the details. they were wrong on that. what did you thing? >> he thought it would be an exculpatory element to his interview. the fascinating thing about the interview last night, looking at the twitter commentary and looking at how people took it in and myself as well is that we believed lance armstrong when he copped to doing something bad. we disbelief lance armstrong when he said that he did something, you know, honorable or right or clean.
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so, the point and the problem with these interviews is that lance armstrong is still such an illegitimate interviewee that we can't believe him -- >> he said that himself, before he would say something, you are never going to believe this from me, did that help his case or hurt his case? >> i don't think it did either. it was just a statement of the obvious. and to credit him with that level of awareness. you know, credit him with that level of awareness because he knows it's such a farce. >> you were so upset last night when you were talking to anderson. what is the next step? you get the sense -- he didn't answer oprah's question of why he's there. what's the plan? what do you think his plan is? overall, rehabilitation. but what is it? >> it's going to be a long process. he knows he's hurt a lot of people. he knows he's done a lot of bad. he -- i don't know why he chose to do it in such a public
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manner, again, i think he should have met with wada and usada first and then he can go to oprah because you can't cherry pick what you're going to talk about. >> are you going to forgive him? >> it's a process. it's not a life switch. this is a guy who used to be a friend of mine. it's not like i can -- and if i do forgive him, it's something personal and it's something i have to work through, whether or not he's going to fully come clean on everything. >> how hard has it been for you over the last several years when you were saying one thing and he was calling you crazy? >> or worse. >> or worse. >> well, how would it be if day in, day out you told the truth and somebody didn't believe you, and you were going up against a guy that the media love and you said, but, wait a minute, this guy's a fraud, but then this guy would talk to -- lance would talk to journalists and the journalists would print whatever he wanted them to say. i would was being called
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vindictive, bitter, jealous, the journalists call me, did they ask me to refute those claims? no. and then what would happen, journalists are supposed to be arbiters of the truth so we listen to what the journalists say and you see the comment section and then frankie gets a phone call from his employer saying, why -- why doesn't your wife just stay out of it? so, i was supposed to be a doormat and just let him smear me and let him get away with it. >> you think of all the people for whom he had this relationship where he tried to attack them and take them out, he's got a lot of apologizing to do. i don't know what -- i'm dieing to hear what he has to say to oprah here tonight. betsy, it was great to hear your side of the story over the last couple of days. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. got to get to other top stories and john has that. >> brand-new details on the hostage crisis in algeria, cnn has learned that an air force aircraft is in the process of
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evacuating foreign nationals and americans involved in the standoff, they are being taken out of algeria and flown to u.s. facilities in europe. barbara starr is live in the point gone with detapentagon wi. >> the u.s. military is deliberately being very vague because of the situation in algeria. they say there are between 10 and 20 hostages, that this air force c-130 is taking out of the area, out of algeria. this c-130, this is a medical evacuation essentially. the air force has a lot of experience in bringing wounded people out of the war zones in iraq and afghanistan. think of it as the same type of thing. they will have medical care for them on board the flight. they will be able to assess any injuries, provide initial trauma care if there is situations with bullet wounds, stabbings, that sort of thing. they will land in europe and then they will work on getting these people back to their families, john. >> so much about the condition of the these hostages remains
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unloan. leon panetta had tough talk, what's he saying now? >> well, he was speaking earlier today in london and indeed tough talk. secretary panetta saying, quote, the united states is working around the clock to ensure the safe return of our citizens. he went on to say that the u.s. would pursue al qaeda terrorists across north africa and the british prime minister, david cameron, also echoing the same thing, and prime minister cameron warning, again, that this situation in algeria is not over, there are still people unaccounted for at the plant and the algerian military is still pursuing some of the attackers. >> barbara starr at the pentagon breaking the news of u.s. aircraft evacuating the hostages from algeria, thank you very much. >> sure. the manti te'o believe it or not getting even more bizarre this morning, te'o apparently mentioned his dead girlfriend twice in interviews after he supposedly found out she did not
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exist. he's been silent since the story has been shown as a fake and he's been holed up at a florida training facility as he prepares for the nfl draft. and preparations under way for president obama's second inauguration, he takes a ceremonial oath of office monday at noon at the capitol. hundreds of thousands are expected to attend. we'll be there, too, our live coverage begins 5:00 monday morning. so, out with the old and in with the new at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. the white house has just released a new official portrait of the president, a little grayer. it was taken in the oval office in early december. that is not the only thing being unveiled in washington. this, ladies and gentlemen, very big, the first lady's office posted a picture of michelle obama sporting a new hairstyle. it's all about the bangs. i'm told that is, in fact, a very, very big deal, soledad? >> listen, she's a beautiful woman, she can wear her hair any way she wants and still look great. john, thank you. still ahead on "starting
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point," she fights crime on tv, and now she's trying to fight child trafficking. angie harmon will join us in a moment. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. ♪ make it worth watching. ♪ the new 2013 lexus ls. an entirely new pursuit.
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actress angie harmon is best
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known for her tough-talking characters in tv's "law & order" and now she's hoping to use her star power in a new role as an ambassad ambassador against child trafficking. >> their childhoods are being stolen. they work in exploitive, dangerous jobs, sell their bodies, miss out on an education and live in servitude. to help these children, we need to see them. join us and learn how you can help end child trafficking. >> so powerful and when i heard you say 5.5 million children, i had to go back and confirm that number. because that is just stunning to me, and it's also here in the united states there's human trafficking in all 50 states there have been reports of human trafficking. so, how do you tackle a problem that is that big and also clearly underground? >> i think that's part of why
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i'm here today is trying to obviously when you bring an issue like this, you bring a light to it, it's completely shocking and overwhelming, and i wanted to be able to come out and talk about the slutolutions. and obviously that is unicef, unicef is the only organization that is worldwide out of 190 countries, they're in 190, 150 of them have child welfare programs. and it's just -- it was one of those things where i was, like, how is this even possible and now how do we fix it. and it's across the board what these children are being used for. when you think about the children -- just the ones that run away are, you know, 8 and 9 years old and they're running from the violence in their own homes, young girls who are 11, and 12, and 13 years old, especially in this country. it's the pools of migration and mobility that the traffickers flock to and that's where they find these children and that's where they -- >> you have three children. >> i do, i have three little
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girls, i do. this really is a home -- it's just very close to my heart. you know, when you think about these children are already vulnerable, they're already out there on their own, as resilient as they are, they are going to victimized because they're targeted. >> and they're children. >> and they're children, exactly. >> what can you do as a unicef ambassador now what will you be able to do in addition to bringing -- in addition to having a platform to talk about it? >> aside from the in-field visits that i'll be doing and things like that, which i'm really, really excited about, it's coming here and talking to you and being able to put it out there, if you go to unic unicefusa.org they have all of the information, all of the websites, everything that you can go to to find out, like, for example, are wine, our tea, the coffee, the bricks that make our homes, coffee, find out who are
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making these, if the people that are making them, are they being exploited, are they in a safe environment, if they are children, are they underage, it's everywhere. it's not just prostitution that children are being put into. it's work environments. it's hard, grueling labor. and they're children. i mean -- >> taking advantage of many of these kids, right? all kinds of ways. >> absolutely. >> what is it in your personal background that drew to this issue? i always find it's something that drew you to this particular issue. >> it is. i just think that, you know, children they need someone to fight for them, they can't defend themselves, so they need an advocate, and, you know, they are our future. they are who we have to believe in and support, and i think any healthy adult, you know, is -- is a healthy child, someone who knew they were loved, knew they were believed in, knew they were cared for, protected and all of those wonderful things that none of these children have. i mean, look at them.
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they're horrifically abused from the beginning. >> a kid in haiti was telling me the story of how he was bought for ten dollars u.s. and i remember thinking if you calculate the number of orphans in haiti alone is roughly 400,000, like, how do we as individuals help on a problem that just seems so massive? >> unicef specializes in going in and addressing the violence that is happening at the source of the problem say, for example, in the children's homes or in the children's communities, things like that. what these kids are breaking out and running from. and when you think about just even that, like, an 8-year-old can say i'm not letting this happen to me anymore and i'm leaving and will take out -- just take off on their own into the world. i mean, it's unbelievable. so, unicef is the one organization that is there working with the government in all of these countries.
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they have the governments' ears. they sit down with these world leaders and these world leaders listen to what unicef has to say because unicef comes in, they're not bullying, they're not shoving, they're not pushing their point of view down anybody's throat. it's all about this is what we know works. train your police officers to understand that these are children, you know, they're not just street yourchins, because you are not brought up in a certain part of the country, you are trash, you are not a child. >> madam ambassador, we can see why you are on the side of these children. >> thank you so much for having me. >> our pleasure. thank you for joining us. we'll talk a little bit about this, the high for the financial markets coming up next, we'll talk about that next when we come back. would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to your eyes, from the eye care experts at bausch + lomb.
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posting a profit in the fourth quarter. shares are up more than 6% for the bank in premarket trading and general electric earnings beat wall street estimates for the fourth quarter. ge said the company has great momentum going into 2013. u.s. markets had a great day yesterday. the s&p 500 five-year high, now at the highest since before the financial crisis. now that's behind us. getting a boost from positive reports on housing starts and jobless claims. the s&p 500 in case you're wondering has doubled since february 2009, doubled. the s&p 500 is the best indicator for stocks for your 401(k) and maybe that's why investors are pouring money back into stocks, now they're convinced after the markets doubled, investors poured $8 billion back into stocks and mutual funds according to the investment institute, the largest amounts since 2007 when they started keeping records. some investors missed a lot of this doubling of the stock
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market. >> that's a good graph. >> jumping out as the market's going higher but now i'm jumping in. >> the outflow has been a huge story, the outflow of stocks and to see the numbers this morning that's pretty significant. >> we had the money going into etfs out of traditional mutual funds and into exchange traded funds, and hedge funds sat out the rally and a lot of big individuals sat out the rally. we'll start introducing the cnn heroes of 2013 first, though, want to take a look back at a young woman from nepal who captured the honor last year. >> for this 29-year-old, 2013 begins on a high note, she was named cnn hero of the year for her work providing a home for children of incarcerated parents in nepal. i sat down with her right after the big moment. how do you feel? you just won. >> i think i'm dreaming. it's a big honor for me. i will never forget this night in my life. >> what was going through your mind when you were walking up on
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stage? >> we all are winners definitely. i see my dream come true. >> thank you so much. i am living in the present, definitely i'm going to take you out from the prison and you are coming to my place. this is for my children and thank you so much for everyone who believed in my dream. >> the kids call you -- >> mamu. >> what does it mean to you? >> it means a lot to me. i know i'm not their original mother but i'm their so-called mother to give them a better life and education. >> what was the inspiration? >> i'm very fortunate to be brought up in the family what i was. i had good parents, they give meving, but there are some children, you know, who are suffering and i feel i should give it to them. >> some of your kids are watching, what did you want to say to them? >> your mamu did it. i'm sure you are proud of me whatever i am doing.
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